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  • #2248 Répondre
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    Three studies in harmony and rhythm generated using my own experimental fork of the IanniX source code.

    http://vimeo.com/33564238
    http://vimeo.com/33563425
    http://vimeo.com/33580722

    There’s more to do, but it’s all quite usable as the above samples demonstrate

    – Chris

    #2766 Répondre
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    I’ve got to hand it to you, Chris — you are one industrious guy.

    You don’t happen to have notes for those bug fixes, do you? I’d like to read about what you’ve done.

    Cheers,
    –Bob

    #2767 Répondre
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    Wow, nice demos ! So when is all this new stuff going to appear in a new & improved version of IanniX ? Can we publicly access your fork yet ?

    Best,

    dp

    #2768 Répondre
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    Thanks! I don’t know when or if these features will get merged into the main fork because I haven’t heard from anyone on the IanniX team for a long time. We have had no discussion about the changes, so I’m not sure if they will agree with the all changes I’ve made, and we don’t have a shared repository to merge changes. In the absence of discussion I just forked it and went off and did my own thing.

    My code is not quite ready to make public yet – too many loose ends and the documentation needs to be updated. I’ll be working on this over the next few weeks and will hope to it available in January. I may be able to do some private releases for people to play with before that, but not quite ready yet.

    – Chris

    #2769 Répondre
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    AvantGuy wrote:
    I’ve got to hand it to you, Chris — you are one industrious guy.

    You don’t happen to have notes for those bug fixes, do you? I’d like to read about what you’ve done.

    I’ll need to extract a list of the bug fixes out of my SCM log to give a complete answer. The bug I recall fixing that affects the musical results the most is the one reported a while ago called “Triggers fire incorrectly “.

    This was causing all triggers between the endpoints of a curve to fire when the cursor wrapped around from one end to the other. If the endpoints were far apart, this could be a lot of triggers, and a blast of dissonant noise.

    The fix is simple. As I recall, just two or three lines of code need to be added. I’m not set up for doing releases of the complete application (yet), but if you can build the application from source I can tell you what do change to fix it.

    – Chris

    #2770 Répondre
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    @codex99 wrote:

    …The bug I recall fixing that affects the musical results the most is the one reported a while ago called “Triggers fire incorrectly “.

    That is the very one I was most hoping you had addressed. I am the one who reported it and this is a bug that has kept me from further using Iannix, as it’s a total show-stopper.

    I was contemplating fixing it myself, but Iannix’s inactivity in their Google repository and general unresponsiveness has worried me, so I repressed notions of getting further involved.

    I’m not set up for doing releases of the complete application (yet), but if you can build the application from source I can tell you what do change to fix it.

    Yes, I’ve done several builds. I’d be glad to have those changes, but I don’t know whether I’ll be investing much into Iannix until there’s some indication that this project has life in it. I’d rather see Guillaume incorporate that and any other bug fixes of yours that would be of general interest.

    My compliments, Chris, on your amazing work.
    –Bob

    #2771 Répondre
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    Yes, I’m disappointed by the lack of responsiveness. That’s why I forked the project, reluctantly.

    One way or another the project has a future. I’m an experienced software developer (retired from Microsoft) and am quite capable and have the time to provide regular releases on all three platforms, providing support, etc.

    I set out six months ago to develop from scratch an open source tool based on the concepts of Geomaestro – http://www.zogotounga.net/GM/eGM0.html , then found the open source project IanniX and offered to work with them, but unfortunately they seem too busy to be responsive. I can carry on independently if necessary.

    – Chris

    #2772 Répondre
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    Chris, I see you’re in BC. A former Canuck-Microsoftie, eh? I guess some places in BC are within commuting range to Redmond :–)

    Yes, I would hope Iannix can go on with an active developer and user community surrounding it, whether Thierry’s “group” is at the heart of it or not. The project that supported the earlier iteration of Iannix (0.6, etc.) seemed to just fade away quietly as well. They were active with a Sourceforge project and everything looked right. It had the look of an open source project but those involved did not seem to be running it like one. I got the impression (I’m talking, what, something like three,four years ago) that Iannix was not the developers main priority or even main interest, and now I’m getting the same impression with this iteration of Iannix.

    Any other active open source project I can think of would welcome your vast work publicly and with opened arms. So all I can say here is: Go figure.

    Cheers,
    –Bob

    Ps: It’s like Twilight Zone — Geomaestro — I can’t get over how often I still see references to KeyKit, a toolkit that seems never to die!

    #2773 Répondre
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    Actually I moved to Redmond and lived there 10 years, retiring in 1998 and moving back to Canada. I discovered Geomaestro maybe 12 years ago and was probably one of the few people in the world who really tried to use it – at least I never found any other users. It was well documented, fiendishly complex, ingenious, and had intriguing unfinished loose ends. I eventually put it aside because it was too hard to do with it what I felt could be possible with such a tool.

    I resolved to someday return to the concept of a geometry based sequencer, which really hasn’t existed anywhere else to my knowledge (other than IanniX). I finally returned to the idea about 6 months ago. I plan to spend the next few years with it as my main project: to develop a powerful software tool for me to use and and that could bring the idea to the “masses” – or at least the masses creating computer based music :).

    I think with the right usability tweaks and integration with mainstream applications such a tool could become much more mainstream than it has been. I’m working on it like a full time job, with my only pay being the blast I’m having working on it. It will of course be open source and the goal is to build a community around it.

    – Chris

    #2774 Répondre
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    I agree, it could be totally mainstream.

    Sorry to further complicate the hijacking of your thread, Chris, but I believe it is time for Thierry to jump in here and make some direct comments. I’m sure he lurks, at least paternally. The burst of glory that surrounded 0.8 earlier this year motivated a wide cross section of people to jump in here and express interest — they even rolled up their sleeves to try and get it interoperating with all kinds of 3rd party software.

    In other words, Iannix has real appeal to lots of people.

    –Bob

    Ps: Speaking of KeyKit, as recently as 2oo5, Dave Phillips (who hopped into this thread a couple messages back) wrote an article on it at a time when I thought it had been long forgotten. Nice article, Dave (as usual)!

    @codex99 wrote:

    Actually I moved to Redmond and lived there 10 years, retiring in 1998 and moving back to Canada. I discovered Geomaestro maybe 12 years ago and was probably one of the few people in the world who really tried to use it – at least I never found any other users. It was well documented, fiendishly complex, ingenious, and had intriguing unfinished loose ends. I eventually put it aside because it was too hard to do with it what I felt could be possible with such a tool.

    I resolved to someday return to the concept of a geometry based sequencer, which really hasn’t existed anywhere else to my knowledge (other than IanniX). I finally returned to the idea about 6 months ago. I plan to spend the next few years with it as my main project: to develop a powerful software tool for me to use and and that could bring the idea to the “masses” – or at least the masses creating computer based music :).

    I think with the right usability tweaks and integration with mainstream applications such a tool could become much more mainstream than it has been. I’m working on it like a full time job, with my only pay being the blast I’m having working on it. It will of course be open source and the goal is to build a community around it.

    – Chris

    #2764 Répondre
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    Yes it would be nice to hear from our friends in France. No one seems to be listening.

    I would originally have been happy to be a major contributor in making IanniX “the” geometry based sequencer. I helped in a major way with the recent release and was the one answering most of the support questions on the forum.

    But it’s frustrating trying to participate in a project where the communication is all one-way and no one answers questions for weeks, if ever. If I fork it I assure you I will be more responsive.

    – Chris

    #2765 Répondre
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    Good morning,

    First of all I would like to thank you very much Chris and Bob for their work on the developement of IanniX. Our aim is to have an entire community around this project and I am happy to have you as a fondamental partner, your point of view is extremely important for the evolution of IanniX. Please do not think that our silence is due to a lack of interest in your intellectual and technical contribution to the project, but please understand that we have been all very busy this last period.

    My big concern has always been the same for several years, that is the way to keep on financing the developement. For the new version we are actually three people working on the project in Paris, each one has a precise and independent task and you can understand that this is insufficient for the demanded amount of work. We all have another job allowing us to earn money. By the way, I am still looking forward a solution to keep on financing and going on with the project and I am pretty optimist for the beginning of 2012.

    Luckily we received a small amount from the Culture Ministry at the beginning of the year that has allowed us to develop the new version, create the website, finalise the documentation and the exemples etc. We have worked hard to launch the new version and I am glad regarding the evolution of the project and even more concerning the feedback of the users that make me feel we are on the good way. Even if did not receive any donation from the users, I am persuaded of the interest in this new approach to musical writing.

    This is why I am asking for your patience. Guillaume is actually abroad and he will be back in some weeks. Please be assured of my entire confidence and I hope that we will soon have the possibility of working together on a new update including your contribution.

    With my best wishes
    Thierry

    #2775 Répondre
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    Hi Thierry, thanks for the reply.

    I’d like to have a little more in-depth discussion about collaboration. I sent you mail at your iannix email address.

    – Chris

    #2776 Répondre
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    @THC wrote:

    First of all I would like to thank you very much Chris and Bob for their work on the developement of IanniX. Our aim is to have an entire community around this project and I am happy to have you as a fondamental partner, your point of view is extremely important for the evolution of IanniX. Please do not think that our silence is due to a lack of interest in your intellectual and technical contribution to the project, but please understand that we have been all very busy this last period.

    Thierry, I wish I could find all of your words here inspirational. I appreciate you’ve taken the time to respond and that you’ve sent kudos to us (even though Chris is more deserving and others here have done much more than I to support things like interoperational concepts, for example).

    However, your words exemplify what it is that bothers me and what you say reveals what is behind why I don’t view this as a truly open source project:

    My big concern has always been the same for several years, that is the way to keep on financing the development.

    You have several volunteers right here, your repository costs nothing, and you don’t really have to pay for a website. Your grant from the French government, however, likely has its own set of rules that ‘transcend’ the tenets of OSS.

    For the new version we are actually three people working on the project in Paris,

    So the project began with and continues to have a built-in constraint on who can work on it?

    …each one has a precise and independent task

    Open source development is seldom tidy, and its developers are interdependent. In fact, that interdependence is widely accepted as a core definition of an open source development community. Notwithstanding that, community code can be elegant and robust and reinforced by peer review. This cannot be managed efficiently unless all developers participate via a common repository, something you actually have created but seem to be keeping hidden.

    …and you can understand that this is insufficient for the demanded amount of work. We all have another job allowing us to earn money

    Well, yes I can understand that it is too much for three part-timers.

    By the way, I am still looking forward a solution to keep on financing and going on with the project

    So, going on with the project hinges upon getting more financing?! Do you see why I have a bit of trouble with this?

    With respect for the accomplishments of the Iannix team over the years,
    –Bob

    #2777 Répondre
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    The repository on Google Code is actually not the most current. Guillaume started to set one up on GitHub about last May but didn’t have time to learn to use it.

    Then a couple of months ago I converted and uploaded the source code for the 0.8.22 release to that repository, and it is open source. However I have not been using it for my work because I should not be checking in changes to the “official” repository while doing work that had not been discussed with anyone else on the team. So my recent work is in a private GitHub repository.

    I’m keeping it private for now because my version has evolved to be rather different from IanniX 0.8.22 and I didn’t want to confuse users if it got into wider use. I couldn’t simply assign it to be release 0.8.23 since I was working independently.

    Although 0.8.22 is on GitHub I’m not confident it will be used by anyone other than me because of the difficulty of learning Git. My recommendation going forward would be for the code to be open source on Google Code managed with Mercurial which is powerful but much easier than Git.

    – Chris

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